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AMA News & Notes - October 2008

2008-09-12T11:14:08Z

AMA News & Notes - October 2008

October 2008

News & Notes is a monthly publication compiled and edited by the AMA's Government Relations Department. Designed to inform motorcyclists of 'rights'-related issues and events around the world, we welcome your news & views. Suggestions and contributions can be sent to Sheila Andrews, Legislative Assistant, American Motorcyclist Association, by e-mail at sandrews@ama-cycle.org.

     Congress has finally passed legislation to keep the Highway Trust Fund from going broke.
The Highway Trust Fund, an account that holds the lion's share of federal money appropriated for highway and infrastructure projects, was set to hit zero at the end of September 2008. This would have left agencies, such as the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA), without enough funding to continue operations until a new highway bill is passed in 2009.
     H.R. 6532, the legislation that provides the necessary $8 billion deposit into the fund, was passed by the U.S. House of Representatives on July 23, 2008. However, objections from the Bush Administration stalled the bill in the Senate. Upon a statement issued in early September by US Secretary of Transportation, Mary Peters, the Administration reversed its opposition to the legislation. Three days later the Senate was able to give final passage to the bill that will send it to President Bush for signature.
     Once President Bush signs the bill into law, federal transportation agencies will have the necessary cash to continue with on-going projects and daily operations through 2008 and 2009. Future funding will be provided by the up-coming highway bill, which Congress will begin drafting in early 2009 with hopes of passing in late 2009.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) released the numbers for fatalities and injuries on American roadways during the 2007 calendar year. While overall numbers are down, motorcycles continue to be the only mode of motorized transportation with increases in both the fatalities and injuries categories.
A total of 5,154 motorcyclists were killed in 2007, a 6.6% increase from the 4,837 killed in 2006. Motorcyclist injuries increased by 17%, up by 15,000 over 2006. The release from NHTSA underscores the need to move forward with the Motorcycle Crash Causation Study funded by Congress and contributions from the AMA, Motorcycle Industry Council (MIC) and individual riders.

     The United States Marine Corps has submitted an application for land withdrawal to the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) for property in Johnson Valley, California. The request would take the roughly 60,000 acres of off-highway recreation trails, plus an additional 362,000 acres of BLM land and use it to expand the military base in Twentynine Palms, California.
     After months of meetings and conversations between Base Officials and the off-highway community, the Marine Corps chose not to allow continued access by recreation enthusiasts and request the entire 422,000 acres available.
     "We are very disappointed that the Marines have chosen a plan that eliminates all rider access to Johnson Valley. We will continue to work with the Marines and others in the OHV community on negotiation efforts to preserve recreational access in Southern California," said AMA vice president, Ed Moreland.
     The next step in the process of deciding whether the entire withdrawal application will be granted in the Environmental Impact Study (EIS) the Marines must perform. Within the EIS will be an analysis of alternative measures for the Marine Expeditionary Brigade (MEB) to meet their training requirements. The Notice of Intent to perform the EIS should be published by the Department of the Navy in November and public scoping meetings should begin in December.
     AMA Western States Representative, Nicholas Haris, is involved in the effort to work with local base officials to ensure the needs and concerns of off-highway enthusiasts are continuing to be placed in front of the Marines. For updates as the withdrawal application proceeds, look to American Motorcyclist Magazine, AMA News & Notes, and www.americanmotorcyclist.com for information.

California - The Mammoth Bar OHV Park motocross (MX) tracks repair project began in August. The MX tracks are expected to be closed for at least three weeks. Construction work will involve the installation of a water sprinkler system to minimize dust and airborne soil. The rest of the facility will remain open. For additional information, contact the Auburn State Recreation office at (530) 885-4527.

Connecticut - Passage of Senate Bill 298, introduced by the Joint Committee on Transportation, changes the state's definition of a motorcycle to exclude motor-driven cycles and vehicles with or designed to have a completely enclosed driver's seat and a motor not in the enclosed area.

Kentucky - House Resolution 5a, sponsored by Rep. Tim Moore (R-Elizabethtown), urging the Transportation Cabinet to install cable median barriers on appropriate sections of Kentucky's interstate highways, was adopted on June 25.

Louisiana - Senate Resolution 169, sponsored by Sen. Robert Marionneaux (D-Maringouin) and adopted on June 23, declares July 16, 2008 as Motorcycle and Scooter Ride to Work Day.

New York - Senate Bill 7405, sponsored by Sen. Thomas W. Libous (R-Binghamton), makes changes to the requirements for organizations seeking to provide coordination of the motorcycle safety program. The bill was signed into law July 7, 2008.

     North Carolina - A group of 30 stakeholders continue to negotiate future regulations governing off-highway vehicle (OHV) use on the many popular beaches in the Cape Hatteras National Seashore.
     The motorized community hit a large barrier with the anti-access special interest groups when Defenders of Wildlife and the National Audubon Society sued the Park Service in October 2007. That lawsuit resulted in the closure of many popular beaches to motorized and pedestrian access and created a lack of trust between the pro-access and anti-access group members.
     While a recent study of the group had four members admitting that they believed the group should suspend their efforts, the majority agreed that the dialogue must continue; with the goal being to shore-up access and restriction issues surrounding OHVs on public beaches. Official record of the September 8, 2008 meeting in Avon, NC has not yet been released, but will likely contain valuable information regarding the future of OHV access in Cape Hatteras.

South Carolina - Recent changes to motorcycle licensing and endorsement requirements for three-wheeled motorcycles or motorcycles with sidecars are explained in a Department of Motor Vehicles chart at http://www.scdmvonline.com/DMVNew/general/Three%20Wheel%20MTC%20Endorsement%20Chart.pdf.

South Carolina - The City of Myrtle Beach continued discussion on the future of bike rallies in the city limits at a meeting of the City Council on Tuesday, September 9, 2008. Information regarding what was covered during the afternoon gathering can be found at the City of Myrtle Beach website, located at http://www.cityofmyrtlebeach.com/agendas.html.

     Washington - The city of Seattle is considering a new law that would impose a $38 fine on anyone caught attempting to move a scooter or motorcycle over in its parking place in order to make room for their car. This has been a growing issue for Seattle scooter riders as more and more residents are making the switch to the 150-pound, highly fuel efficient vehicles.
     Scooter owners have been finding it more common to park, leave the vehicle, and return to find it not exactly in the same spot they left it. Incidents of shifting a scooter over occasionally result in a ticket for the scooter driver.
     Dan Nolte, an aide to City Council Member Sally Clark, has labeled the hands-off scooter rule a "no brainer."
     According to Garrett Johnson, a scooter and motorcycle advocate with Cycle Barn Motorsports Group, "Can you imagine if people got into unlocked cars, popped into neutral and rolled it away so they could take parking spots?"

Canada - According to a recent press release from the Alberta Mini RoadRacing Association (AMRA), the Government of Alberta, Canada, will help fund their AMRA Community and Ladies Sport Training Program. The press release goes on to list the approved items the funding will provide, including, "10 new motorcycles, both sport and dirt frame machines, along with 10 complete sets of riding gear including helmets, riding leathers, gloves and boots."

     England - Princes William and Harry are reportedly back on for their week long charity motorcycle ride through South Africa and Lesotho.
     The trip that has been on, then off, and now apparently back on again, would take the brothers, and crowned Princes, through some intensely dangerous, competely 'off-highway' riding. The trip is to total roughly 1,000 miles in a Long Way Down style trek with the purpose of raising money for orphans and AIDS victims in Africa.
     The two Princes are said to be extremely passionate about helping the people of Africa. Prince Harry has already started a charity organization named Sentebale to benefit the citizens of Lesotho. Sentebale means, "Forget me not."
     While travel details are being kept secret, the information on how to donate to their riding campaign for orphans and AIDS victims will be available once the trip is confirmed.

Dates for the 28th Annual Cycle World International Motorcycle Shows have been announced, beginning in Phoenix Arizona from October 31, 2008 - November 2, 2008. For a complete list of shows with ticket information and hotel deals in each city, visit www.motorcycleshows.com.

     The Washington, D.C. "Ride Into Political Action" seminar has been set for February 21-24, 2009 at the Hyatt Regency Washington on Capitol Hill. Are you tired of politicians not representing your views as a motorcyclist?Are you willing to do something about it? Whether you're a veteran lobbyist or just a concerned motorcyclist who wants to be heard on Capitol Hill, the American Motorcyclist Association's "Washington, D.C. Ride Into Political Action" seminar is for you. At this event you'll learn from the experts about the issues facing motorcyclists today. And you'll learn the ins and outs of working with members of Congress and federal agencies.
     In the four day seminar you will be spending your time with these daily activities:
              Saturday: The seminar kicks off in the evening with a brief nuts-and-bolts session for those who are new to lobbying. A "welcome" reception and orientation for all participants follows.
              Sunday: You dive into the world of government and politics. You learn about state, federal and global issues, and the ongoing efforts of motorcyclists to influence your issues on Capitol Hill.
              Monday: The seminar moves into high gear. Discussions focus on building relationships with lawmakers, officials, and working with federal agencies. The day's discussions wrap up with how to deliver your message to congressional offices.
              Tuesday: This is the payoff day when you put your new skills into practice. After a brief refresher session, you head off to talk with members of your own congressional delegation. Then you take part in a debriefing session, before learning how to strengthen lobbying efforts in your own state.
     For information on how to register for the seminar, please contact Sharon Smolinka, with the AMA Government Relations Department, at (614) 856-1900 ext. 1252. Or visit the AMA website at www.americanmotorcyclist.com/legisltn/dcseminar.asp.

AMA Government Relations News & Notes is a monthly service compiled and edited by the AMA Government Relations Staff to keep motorcyclists informed of happenings around the world. We welcome your news & views. Please submit all material to Sheila Andrews, Legislative Assistant, 101 Constitution Ave., NW Suite 800W, Washington, DC 20001; fax (202) 742-4304 or e-mail to sandrews@ama-cycle.org.

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Re: An article from www.myrtlebeachonline.com

2008-09-11T13:04:13Z

I feel this issue is MUCH larger than just helmets. That is just ONE freedom they are taking away. I don't think city governments should have the power to control and take away freedoms in the blink of an eye. This country is getting sicker every day. Now watch other cities ban motorcycles altogether. Why did I serve in VietNam if I (we) loose our freedoms anyway. Hell, we can't even park in a city garage!
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Posted on Wednesday, Sep. 10, 2008

McBride: Don't say 'ban'

By Lorena Anderson

Former Myrtle Beach Mayor Mark McBride, who once said he'd like to use his car to "nudge" a biker who wore an offensive T-shirt, pleaded on Tuesday with the council he used to lead to stop using the word "ban" when discussing the May motorcycle rallies.
"Y'all better listen to me. I'm talking about public safety, and that lies in your hands," McBride implored. "Take some time, step away by yourself and think through this. Talking about bans will instigate more problems."
He spoke at the afternoon City Council meeting before council members approved the first drafts of 14 anti-rally measures including a local helmet law, a juvenile curfew and 2 a.m. bar-closings for any establishment not selling food along with alcohol or not meeting specific standards, including the number of criminal incidents that occur on their premises.

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Re: An article from www.myrtlebeachonline.com

2008-09-11T07:54:02Z

Under the SC Gang Bill, all the city has to do is say this rally is gang activity; that opens the door for total fascist control.

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'A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big >>>> enough to take away everything you have.' ........ Thomas Jefferson

Matthew 26:52
Then said Jesus unto him, "Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."

"Men cannot be governed and remain men. Domesticate the wolf and he changes both physically and mentally. His muzzle shrinks, his teeth diminish, he loses size, speed, and strength, He grows spots. His ears flop. His brain withers. He becomes a dog. Men are on the verge of becoming dogs -- the changes are underway already -- unless we do something to stop it."
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There main idea is to have officers train with decmal meters and check as many bike as possible going in and out of city limits !!!

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I'm not sure the city law could even withstand a legal challenge in court.

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:17:49 -0700 (PDT), Anthony Spinnato wrote
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> Yes I would ride thru MB if they enact helmet law , That was the one ordinence that did not get full vote because they understan that they will have put signs on every street that enters MB city Limits and on Hwy 17 by 501 and Broadway at Beach you enter and leave City Limits at least 4 time on same straight away !!!
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> What's your opinion about this article? Would you ride lidless in Myrtle Beach if they pass a local helmet law? Why or why not?
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> McBride: Don't say 'ban'
> By Lorena Anderson
>
> Former Myrtle Beach Mayor Mark McBride, who once said he'd like to use his car to "nudge" a biker who wore an offensive T-shirt, pleaded on Tuesday with the council he used to lead to stop using the word "ban" when discussing the May motorcycle rallies.
> "Y'all better listen to me. I'm talking about public safety, and that lies in your hands," McBride implored. "Take some time, step away by yourself and think through this. Talking about bans will instigate more problems."
> He spoke at the afternoon City Council meeting before council members approved the first drafts of 14 anti-rally measures including a local helmet law, a juvenile curfew and 2 a.m. bar-closings for any establishment not selling food along with alcohol or not meeting specific standards, including the number of criminal incidents that occur on their premises.
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An article from www.myrtlebeachonline.com

2008-09-10T23:33:04Z

Follow the money. Period.

John "DOC" Manning

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Subject: [liberty] Re: An article from www.myrtlebeachonline.com

Because all the "biker friendly" businesses think that the bikers will come anyway. Our survey of 85 advertisers - 83 said that they did not need to let the bikers know that they would be open and welcome their business (MONEY) BECAUSE THEY WOULD COME AND SPEND MONEY ANY WAY!

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We are bikers who publish a magazine, not publishers who own motorcycles!

On Sep 10, 2008, at 5:55 PM, yamahabob79@netzero.net wrote:

I hope they have a lot of money in the legal fund. I can see the lawsuits coming now. By the way, I wonder why I haven't heard a big uproar about the fall rally. Bob Baxter

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Re: An article from www.myrtlebeachonline.com

2008-09-10T21:50:06Z

There main idea is to have officers train with decmal meters and check as many bike as possible going in and out of city limits !!!

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I'm not sure the city law could even withstand a legal challenge in court.

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:17:49 -0700 (PDT), Anthony Spinnato wrote
> (Mailing list information, including unsubscription instructions, is located at the end of this message.)
> Yes I would ride thru MB if they enact helmet law , That was the one ordinence that did not get full vote because they understan that they will have put signs on every street that enters MB city Limits and on Hwy 17 by 501 and Broadway at Beach you enter and leave City Limits at least 4 time on same straight away !!!
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> What's your opinion about this article? Would you ride lidless in Myrtle Beach if they pass a local helmet law? Why or why not?
>
> Posted on Wednesday, Sep. 10, 2008
>
> McBride: Don't say 'ban'
> By Lorena Anderson
>
> Former Myrtle Beach Mayor Mark McBride, who once said he'd like to use his car to "nudge" a biker who wore an offensive T-shirt, pleaded on Tuesday with the council he used to lead to stop using the word "ban" when discussing the May motorcycle rallies.
> "Y'all better listen to me. I'm talking about public safety, and that lies in your hands," McBride implored. "Take some time, step away by yourself and think through this. Talking about bans will instigate more problems."
> He spoke at the afternoon City Council meeting before council members approved the first drafts of 14 anti-rally measures including a local helmet law, a juvenile curfew and 2 a.m. bar-closings for any establishment not selling food along with alcohol or not meeting specific standards, including the number of criminal incidents that occur on their premises.
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Re: An article from www.myrtlebeachonline.com

2008-09-10T21:47:04Z

Nobody cares really , they all feel the bikers will come any way and at meeting on

tuesday only a few bikers were there and business owners !!! The part about helmet law was only part not full vote !!

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Re: An article from www.myrtlebeachonline.com

2008-09-10T18:48:12Z

Because all the "biker friendly" businesses think that the bikers will come anyway. Our survey of 85 advertisers - 83 said that they did not need to let the bikers know that they would be open and welcome their business (MONEY) BECAUSE THEY WOULD COME AND SPEND MONEY ANY WAY!

Mark Infield

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The Carolinas'

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On Sep 10, 2008, at 5:55 PM, yamahabob79@netzero.net wrote:

I hope they have a lot of money in the legal fund. I can see the lawsuits coming now. By the way, I wonder why I haven't heard a big uproar about the fall rally. Bob Baxter

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Re: An article from www.myrtlebeachonline.com

2008-09-10T18:04:05Z

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Re: An article from www.myrtlebeachonline.com

2008-09-10T17:50:10Z

I'm not sure the city law could even withstand a legal challenge in court.

FF

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:17:49 -0700 (PDT), Anthony Spinnato wrote
> (Mailing list information, including unsubscription instructions, is located at the end of this message.)
> Yes I would ride thru MB if they enact helmet law , That was the one ordinence that did not get full vote because they understan that they will have put signs on every street that enters MB city Limits and on Hwy 17 by 501 and Broadway at Beach you enter and leave City Limits at least 4 time on same straight away !!!
>
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> FF has sent you the following story:
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> What's your opinion about this article? Would you ride lidless in Myrtle Beach if they pass a local helmet law? Why or why not?
>
> Posted on Wednesday, Sep. 10, 2008
>
> McBride: Don't say 'ban'
> By Lorena Anderson
>
> Former Myrtle Beach Mayor Mark McBride, who once said he'd like to use his car to "nudge" a biker who wore an offensive T-shirt, pleaded on Tuesday with the council he used to lead to stop using the word "ban" when discussing the May motorcycle rallies.
> "Y'all better listen to me. I'm talking about public safety, and that lies in your hands," McBride implored. "Take some time, step away by yourself and think through this. Talking about bans will instigate more problems."
> He spoke at the afternoon City Council meeting before council members approved the first drafts of 14 anti-rally measures including a local helmet law, a juvenile curfew and 2 a.m. bar-closings for any establishment not selling food along with alcohol or not meeting specific standards, including the number of criminal incidents that occur on their premises.
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Re: An article from www.myrtlebeachonline.com

2008-09-10T16:25:15Z

Yes I would ride thru MB if they enact helmet law , That was the one ordinence that did not get full vote because they understan that they will have put signs on every street that enters MB city Limits and on Hwy 17 by 501 and Broadway at Beach you enter and leave City Limits at least 4 time on same straight away !!!

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What's your opinion about this article? Would you ride lidless in Myrtle Beach if they pass a local helmet law? Why or why not?

Posted on Wednesday, Sep. 10, 2008

McBride: Don't say 'ban'

By Lorena Anderson

Former Myrtle Beach Mayor Mark McBride, who once said he'd like to use his car to "nudge" a biker who wore an offensive T-shirt, pleaded on Tuesday with the council he used to lead to stop using the word "ban" when discussing the May motorcycle rallies.
"Y'all better listen to me. I'm talking about public safety, and that lies in your hands," McBride implored. "Take some time, step away by yourself and think through this. Talking about bans will instigate more problems."
He spoke at the afternoon City Council meeting before council members approved the first drafts of 14 anti-rally measures including a local helmet law, a juvenile curfew and 2 a.m. bar-closings for any establishment not selling food along with alcohol or not meeting specific standards, including the number of criminal incidents that occur on their premises.

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Separating Palin Fact from Palin Fiction

2008-09-10T15:47:04Z

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/separating-palin-fact-from-palin-fiction/

This is very interesting.

Cliff

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